New job, new state, new car, flocking! - Page 2

Not All There · 10-03-2007, 01:23 PM

good to see you making more progress, i still like the name of the project too lol

I Like It Sideways · 10-22-2007, 11:33 PM

Thanks!! I'm still not sure what I'm going to call this. haha

Updated at the top

Finished phase I, I'm going to call it.

Not All There · 10-23-2007, 06:33 PM

awesome man!

Salvator Rizzo · 10-23-2007, 10:16 PM

i want more money. hella would love to turn my car into a rally car.

at least it will have boost soon : )

Team Illuminata · 10-24-2007, 05:28 AM

What did the dealership have to say about the drill bit?

Did I miss that one?

I Like It Sideways · 10-24-2007, 06:41 AM

I haven't gone in yet with it. We just discovered it last night, so if I have time today, I'm going in to discuss with them what they owe me. It may have to wait until next week, as I'm going to LSPR, and leaving early tomorrow morning

wolfman79 · 10-24-2007, 10:31 AM

Can't wait to hear what they have to say about the drill bit.

Blix666 · 10-24-2007, 10:35 AM

what did the stealership have to say 'bout the drill bit?

I Like It Sideways · 10-24-2007, 10:51 AM

I'm going after class today. If the stealership (so Fricking true...) is not compliant with me, then I am going to go to their district manager, and then up from there.
We are out $2500 because of this dealership.
Not to mention the pain of not having a car for awhile, buying a new engine, etc etc.

I think we have enough to build a legal case as well. ~10 witnesses and pictures, and enough money involved to go to small claims.
I just hope it doesn't have to go that far.

Blix666 · 10-24-2007, 11:42 AM

good luck dude

I Like It Sideways · 10-24-2007, 02:08 PM

I went to the dealership today, and displayed the spark plug and piece of metal.
They claim its aluminum, which is fine, and denied that it was a drill bit.
I don't care what it is, it is not supposed to be in there.
They called service opps, and told me that I need to bring the motor in for them. That will be fine and dandy, as long as I'm right there with them when they look at it.

So that will be the next step. Unfortunately I am leaving tonight and won't be back until Sunday. So this will have to wait until Monday.

Like several have suggested, I will go higher and higher until I get results.
I want to go about this as civilized as possible. They seemed receptive to what I had to say.

If I dont get results, thats when I'll start raising more hell.

E_Swift · 10-25-2007, 06:40 PM

Wow - that is absolutely crazy.

Any more pictures of the piston and the debris in the cylinder? I'm assuming there aren't any chunks missing from the piston ring land area? Is the debris piece magnetic?

Also, interested in a picture of the cylinder head combustion face if you have one.

I look at this kind of stuff all day long, maybe I can give you some extra ammo for your next trip to the 'stealer...

I Like It Sideways · 11-07-2007, 02:36 PM

One picture of the damaged head. Less blurry pictures to come.

This makes me cringe:

There is a small chunk missing from the land area.
And the piece is magnetic, therefore it isn't aluminum. Score one for me!

Here is an update on what went down today:

So it looks like at the moment Subaru will be doing nothing about remedying the situation. The manager at the dealership called me and said that the operations manager made that decision. When asked how they reached their decision, the manager told me he wasn't allowed to discuss that with me.
I told him to have the operations manager call me, I would like to speak to him personally. They did not disassemble the head like they had claimed they were going to do, nor did they bring in an engineer to inspect the head or chunk of metal.

I am entitled to learn how they came to their decision, without doing anything they said they were going to do. Nor did they call me about this. I called them yesterday asking for an update, and received a call back today. Nothing adds up.

I am going today to pick my head up from them, and then going to try to get the operations manager's number (Ryan Turner, the guy we couldn't find).
More than likely they will not be able to disclose that information, but you'd think as the operations manager of the Bob Rohrman Autogroup, he'd have a business card of some sort.

There is no way in hell they are getting out of this that easily.

Not All There · 11-07-2007, 04:55 PM

wow that thing is trashed

E_Swift · 11-07-2007, 08:05 PM

Ok, the magnetic discovery could be very good news, believe it or not.

Basically, you are looking at foreign debris (their fault) unless

1)there was a valve chordal failure (chunks of valve, usually pie-section shaped). You can look carefully at the valves by barring over the head and inspecting each valve at its max lift. Probably best not to disassemble right away, you may loose some piece of evidence...
2) At the same time, look carefully at the valve seats. These are ferrous, too. Various things can cause them to fracture or completely fall out.
3) Part of the oil ring (unlikely, based on what I think I see on the very small chunk missing out of the piston)
4) Spark plug is intact, right?

If you need to get serious with these people, you can send your debris chunk to a lab in Chicago, for about $65 they can do a complete chemical analysis, and you can determine exactly what it is/was based on the elemental content.

10-03-2007, 01:23 PM	#16
Not All There DirtyImpreza Badass Car: The Ugly Panda Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: CT Thanks: 1 Thanked 41 Times in 28 Posts	good to see you making more progress, i still like the name of the project too lol __________________ Not All There Racing #3406 and #577 95 Subaru "The Ugly Panda" 73 Beetle Thanks to our Sponsors: www.teamilluminata.com, B&G Sports, DirtyImpreza.com, Projectsologear, ctsubie.com, EastCoastSwappers, RedBull ! New facebook Page

10-22-2007, 11:33 PM	#17
I Like It Sideways Forum Moderator Car: 91SS,06WRX,01RS Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Rockford, IL Thanks: 55 Thanked 144 Times in 101 Posts View Photos By: I Like It Sideways	Thanks!! I'm still not sure what I'm going to call this. haha Updated at the top Finished phase I, I'm going to call it. __________________ My Youtube Channel 2006/2008 - Western Ohio Region SCCA M4 Champion 2007 - Ohio Valley Region M4 SCCA Champion, 2nd in M4 Western Ohio Region 2008 - Great Lakes Division M4 Champion 2009 - ESC 3rd place M4 Matthew Noble Marker= - You will not be forgotten. Rally on.

10-23-2007, 06:33 PM	#18
Not All There DirtyImpreza Badass Car: The Ugly Panda Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: CT Thanks: 1 Thanked 41 Times in 28 Posts	awesome man! __________________ Not All There Racing #3406 and #577 95 Subaru "The Ugly Panda" 73 Beetle Thanks to our Sponsors: www.teamilluminata.com, B&G Sports, DirtyImpreza.com, Projectsologear, ctsubie.com, EastCoastSwappers, RedBull ! New facebook Page

10-23-2007, 10:16 PM	#19
Salvator Rizzo Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Santa Rosa, CA Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	i want more money. hella would love to turn my car into a rally car. at least it will have boost soon : ) __________________ 98 RS - ej255 swapped Stg. 2 227whp - 275wtq

10-24-2007, 05:28 AM	#20
Team Illuminata Authorized Vendor Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Birmingham, MI Thanks: 17 Thanked 28 Times in 27 Posts	What did the dealership have to say about the drill bit? Did I miss that one? __________________ Paul Eddleston Paul@TeamIlluminata.com ____________________________ 248.207.0894 R.I.P. Mathew Noble Marker

10-24-2007, 06:41 AM	#21
I Like It Sideways Forum Moderator Car: 91SS,06WRX,01RS Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Rockford, IL Thanks: 55 Thanked 144 Times in 101 Posts View Photos By: I Like It Sideways	I haven't gone in yet with it. We just discovered it last night, so if I have time today, I'm going in to discuss with them what they owe me. It may have to wait until next week, as I'm going to LSPR, and leaving early tomorrow morning __________________ My Youtube Channel 2006/2008 - Western Ohio Region SCCA M4 Champion 2007 - Ohio Valley Region M4 SCCA Champion, 2nd in M4 Western Ohio Region 2008 - Great Lakes Division M4 Champion 2009 - ESC 3rd place M4 Matthew Noble Marker= - You will not be forgotten. Rally on.

10-24-2007, 10:31 AM	#22
wolfman79 Senior Dirty Member Car: Bleu Ice 03 WRX Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Denver Thanks: 23 Thanked 54 Times in 53 Posts	Can't wait to hear what they have to say about the drill bit.

10-24-2007, 10:35 AM	#23
Blix666 Best Halloween Parties Ever Car: 2000 Impreza OBS Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Methuen, MA Thanks: 21 Thanked 33 Times in 27 Posts View Photos By: Blix666	what did the stealership have to say 'bout the drill bit? __________________ "It`s good for everyone to understand that they are to love their enemies, simply because your enemies show you things about yourself you need to change. So in actuality enemies are friends in reverse." -Gary Busey

10-24-2007, 10:51 AM	#24
I Like It Sideways Forum Moderator Car: 91SS,06WRX,01RS Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Rockford, IL Thanks: 55 Thanked 144 Times in 101 Posts View Photos By: I Like It Sideways	I'm going after class today. If the stealership (so Fricking true...) is not compliant with me, then I am going to go to their district manager, and then up from there. We are out $2500 because of this dealership. Not to mention the pain of not having a car for awhile, buying a new engine, etc etc. I think we have enough to build a legal case as well. ~10 witnesses and pictures, and enough money involved to go to small claims. I just hope it doesn't have to go that far. __________________ My Youtube Channel 2006/2008 - Western Ohio Region SCCA M4 Champion 2007 - Ohio Valley Region M4 SCCA Champion, 2nd in M4 Western Ohio Region 2008 - Great Lakes Division M4 Champion 2009 - ESC 3rd place M4 Matthew Noble Marker= - You will not be forgotten. Rally on.

10-24-2007, 11:42 AM	#25
Blix666 Best Halloween Parties Ever Car: 2000 Impreza OBS Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Methuen, MA Thanks: 21 Thanked 33 Times in 27 Posts View Photos By: Blix666	good luck dude __________________ "It`s good for everyone to understand that they are to love their enemies, simply because your enemies show you things about yourself you need to change. So in actuality enemies are friends in reverse." -Gary Busey

10-24-2007, 02:08 PM	#26
I Like It Sideways Forum Moderator Car: 91SS,06WRX,01RS Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Rockford, IL Thanks: 55 Thanked 144 Times in 101 Posts View Photos By: I Like It Sideways	I went to the dealership today, and displayed the spark plug and piece of metal. They claim its aluminum, which is fine, and denied that it was a drill bit. I don't care what it is, it is not supposed to be in there. They called service opps, and told me that I need to bring the motor in for them. That will be fine and dandy, as long as I'm right there with them when they look at it. So that will be the next step. Unfortunately I am leaving tonight and won't be back until Sunday. So this will have to wait until Monday. Like several have suggested, I will go higher and higher until I get results. I want to go about this as civilized as possible. They seemed receptive to what I had to say. If I dont get results, thats when I'll start raising more hell. __________________ My Youtube Channel 2006/2008 - Western Ohio Region SCCA M4 Champion 2007 - Ohio Valley Region M4 SCCA Champion, 2nd in M4 Western Ohio Region 2008 - Great Lakes Division M4 Champion 2009 - ESC 3rd place M4 Matthew Noble Marker= - You will not be forgotten. Rally on.

10-25-2007, 06:40 PM	#27
E_Swift Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Indiana Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Wow - that is absolutely crazy. Any more pictures of the piston and the debris in the cylinder? I'm assuming there aren't any chunks missing from the piston ring land area? Is the debris piece magnetic? Also, interested in a picture of the cylinder head combustion face if you have one. I look at this kind of stuff all day long, maybe I can give you some extra ammo for your next trip to the 'stealer...

11-07-2007, 02:36 PM	#28
I Like It Sideways Forum Moderator Car: 91SS,06WRX,01RS Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Rockford, IL Thanks: 55 Thanked 144 Times in 101 Posts View Photos By: I Like It Sideways	One picture of the damaged head. Less blurry pictures to come. This makes me cringe: There is a small chunk missing from the land area. And the piece is magnetic, therefore it isn't aluminum. Score one for me! Here is an update on what went down today: So it looks like at the moment Subaru will be doing nothing about remedying the situation. The manager at the dealership called me and said that the operations manager made that decision. When asked how they reached their decision, the manager told me he wasn't allowed to discuss that with me. I told him to have the operations manager call me, I would like to speak to him personally. They did not disassemble the head like they had claimed they were going to do, nor did they bring in an engineer to inspect the head or chunk of metal. I am entitled to learn how they came to their decision, without doing anything they said they were going to do. Nor did they call me about this. I called them yesterday asking for an update, and received a call back today. Nothing adds up. I am going today to pick my head up from them, and then going to try to get the operations manager's number (Ryan Turner, the guy we couldn't find). More than likely they will not be able to disclose that information, but you'd think as the operations manager of the Bob Rohrman Autogroup, he'd have a business card of some sort. There is no way in hell they are getting out of this that easily. __________________ My Youtube Channel 2006/2008 - Western Ohio Region SCCA M4 Champion 2007 - Ohio Valley Region M4 SCCA Champion, 2nd in M4 Western Ohio Region 2008 - Great Lakes Division M4 Champion 2009 - ESC 3rd place M4 Matthew Noble Marker= - You will not be forgotten. Rally on. Last edited by I Like It Sideways; 11-07-2007 at 04:08 PM.

11-07-2007, 04:55 PM	#29
Not All There DirtyImpreza Badass Car: The Ugly Panda Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: CT Thanks: 1 Thanked 41 Times in 28 Posts	wow that thing is trashed __________________ Not All There Racing #3406 and #577 95 Subaru "The Ugly Panda" 73 Beetle Thanks to our Sponsors: www.teamilluminata.com, B&G Sports, DirtyImpreza.com, Projectsologear, ctsubie.com, EastCoastSwappers, RedBull ! New facebook Page

11-07-2007, 08:05 PM	#30
E_Swift Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Indiana Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Ok, the magnetic discovery could be very good news, believe it or not. Basically, you are looking at foreign debris (their fault) unless 1)there was a valve chordal failure (chunks of valve, usually pie-section shaped). You can look carefully at the valves by barring over the head and inspecting each valve at its max lift. Probably best not to disassemble right away, you may loose some piece of evidence... 2) At the same time, look carefully at the valve seats. These are ferrous, too. Various things can cause them to fracture or completely fall out. 3) Part of the oil ring (unlikely, based on what I think I see on the very small chunk missing out of the piston) 4) Spark plug is intact, right? If you need to get serious with these people, you can send your debris chunk to a lab in Chicago, for about $65 they can do a complete chemical analysis, and you can determine exactly what it is/was based on the elemental content.